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Mike Smith's avatar

Good to see you back!

I think you know my views on much of this. I do think that if we make a list of what we *don't* mean by "consciousness", we're left trying to describe by what we do mean. And it's hard not to implicitly import many of the things we previously excluded. At least if we want to continue saying there's a deep metaphysical mystery here.

It's interesting how much we divide what the ancients meant by "soul" into different things, like life, mind, consciousness, and the modern religious concept of the immaterial immortal soul. Joseph mentions Aristotle's concept of the soul, which Aristotle divides into a hierarchy including the vegetative soul, the sensitive soul, and the rational soul. I agree that Aristotle's version is the most plausible of the ancient takes on this. Of course, I would say that as a functionalist.

Overall then, we could see the soul as everything that converged to form us, and everything we effect in the world. It's the nexus. Can the nexus survive beyond its current place? When we consider what a nexus is, that seems like a misguided question. But it's worth remembering that nexuses can evolve and move, particularly living ones. So the nexus we are today isn't the same as the one we were as children. In any case, the effects of a nexus can continue long after it's gone. Maybe that's the immortality worth reaching for.

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Michael Kowalik's avatar

Ha! Great point about consciousness being self-evident vs the uncertain existence of the brain. Consciousness is what we experience directly, it is immanent, but the Brain is just a naming convention applied to a clump of cells:)

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