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As a physicalist / materialist philosopher, I'd like to share how I think about these questions of yours:

--> My problem with this is, how can we assume an underlying reality causes phenomena when we not only don’t know, but can’t know, anything about it? What purpose does an unknowable realm of “things in themselves” serve? How can science claim to make progress in obtaining knowledge about reality (assuming that means ‘things in themselves’) when it can’t, not even in principle, know what it’s progressing towards?

I recently read your and your husband's "Truth and Generosity after you let us know it was available for a cheap price. (Thank you!) And I think some of the answers to your questions can be gleaned from that. I would say that a major point from T&G is that the production of knowledge is inherently social. The best argument I've heard against Idealism is that it would make the social project of science impossible. Social knowledge wouldn't come together. And scientific hypotheses would never be disconfirmed. But this all happens precisely because there does seem to be an objective physical reality "out there" which corrects our mistaken notions all the time. Without this objective reality, what would we all be taking about? Yes, we can never be certain of that or know it objectively because we only have our subjective inputs to use for evaluation of the world. And we can't know the future and what disconfirming evidence may arrive someday. But we can make the hypothesis that a single physical universe exists for us, and so far that hypothesis hasn't been disproven by new evidence.

That's quite a different stance than just "assuming an underlying reality". It acknowledges that life started its knowledge journey in absolute ignorance. Living organisms have had to make guesses, check them, and refine them based on feedback. Over the eons of this, life has reached a pretty broad consensus that there is an objective reality that we all share. How else could we communicate and exist with one another??

When you ask "How can science claim to make progress in obtaining knowledge about reality (assuming that means ‘things in themselves’) when it can’t, not even in principle, know what it’s progressing towards?" — the answer is that we claim to make progress in generating broad consensus about things. That's the best we can do. That's the answer Naomi Oreskes gave to the title question of her book "Why Trust Science?" We are progressing towards a shared understanding of how the world works. That's never going to give us a rock solid undoubtable foundation of knowledge (sorry Descartes!), but that's the situation we seem to be in and that's perfectly acceptable to me and other pragmatically-minded philosophers.

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A friend of mine just posted some "short philosophy jokes" on his website. I had to share the final one here:

Overheard in 18th century England: “Did you hear that George Berkeley died? His girlfriend stopped seeing him.”

: ) Full post here for some other chuckles:

https://reasonandmeaning.com/2024/02/14/short-philosophy-jokes/

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